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Engine swap for 1996 Eagle Talon/Mitsu Eclipse?
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/07/09 11:52 AM
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Just wondering, I'm looking to engine swap for a 1996 mitsubishi/eagle and was looking at my possibilities-- as for the engine/transmission, I need a good starting point because this car is going to be completely modded over the next couple of years and I want a strong engine to start.
I was looking into possibly seeing if other manufacturers would fit into the engine bay, like a nissan or toyota engine. I have heard from a lot of different people that the rb26DET would fit into most cars given its size, and it seems like a possibility, or just the 4G63t that comes on the turbo eclipses.
I'm not sure which engine/transmission package to choose, I'm open to any number of suggestions about any engine, or any car for that matter, provided i can find that car for cheap.
Hit me up, let me know how or what I should look for. Thanks everyone!
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Posted: 11/08/09 07:57 AM
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I would look into the EVO engine platform, bro. Well built, it can make well over 400hp from the stout 300hp+ it all ready produces from factory. Why create all that extra work swapping in a RB or a *JZ engine when Mitsubishi offers compareably beefy engines? Plus, you wont have to figure out all the wiring and PCM/ECM issues that will mak it work. That's just my take on it. Albeit, it would be cool to see a RB or a *JZ swap in one of those. LOL! Originality aside, look at what's practicle and achieveable with out the extra body mods that may be required to install a non Mitsu set up. It takes some coin to build a ride, but you have to be practicle as well.
How you drive is your buisness. Remember that you're not the only one on the road!
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/09/09 06:35 AM
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Yeah thats along the lines of what I was thinking, honestly it doesnt matter too much to me if I stay true to mitsubishi and all of that, but youre also right in the fact that body modifications to fit certain engines would be a hassle. Right now, the car is looking to just get started... by the time im done with it, itll hardly be an eagle, whatever engine its running. I found a JDM EVO X engine with 6 speed manual for $3k online... seems like a possibility?
idk anybody else who wants to continue giving me suggestions-- thanks in advance, this car has no money limits mind you, as this is probably going to be one of those "long term" project cars until i'm satisfied with it.
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Posted: 11/09/09 01:47 PM
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I would jump on that engine and drive train, bro. Assuming you don't need to mod up some mounts. Even if it is just mounts, that's better than fabbing the body to accept another engine type. You know? Much luck, bro. A Talon with an EVO X engine... That would be nasty as... He, he, I'll keep it clean for the kids.
How you drive is your buisness. Remember that you're not the only one on the road!
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/09/09 08:50 PM
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Haha yeah well the reason why im looking for all this was because I do car shows and work on cars myself with my friend... and I worked one up to no end and it was beautiful... i took a 350z that had been in a bad rear end accident, spent almost 2 years fixing it up, got an rb26det in it (hence why I like it so much) and had that thing at car shows running roughly 510 hp to the rear wheels. It was so fast, so beautiful and basically a dream come true to own... put my heart and soul into it.
one day i was driving down to a show with it on a trailer, and some idiot driving a semi managed to forget where the brake pedal was and rolled it into the trailer. One re-totaled 350z and many many tears later, I had to give it up to a junkyard... the semi hit it too hard it wasnt even fixable because the chassis and everything warped form the accident.
Now that I dont have anywhere near the money for a starter project as I did then, Im looking to do another car from the ground up and have another original beauty i can call my own.
Thats the reason for the talon. otherwise i would be going for something a bit bigger and better, probably an EVO itself or an STi... but you know, economies go bad so we have to deal right?
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Posted: 11/11/09 04:34 PM
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You ain't kidding. I feel that from where I am. I have a 87 Nissan 200sx sitting in my garage "waiting to exhale"... bad pun, sorry, and a 97 Rav4, which is my daily, that needs a tranny overhaul soon. It's asking for it and I keep waiting on the account that I seem to be doing other things before my things... It's never ending. Recently, I had the opportunity to make a decent amount of coin to get that godforsaken turbo I keep mentioning for my Rav and it all went to a new refrigerator and furnace repair. It's never ending, I tell you!!!  Hope fully things will get better soon. The economy has to pick up. I'm just thankful for a job, even if it is in a dump of a shop dealership. It is what it is, bro. I feel you. I would like to know what you decide on. I like the ideas you have.
How you drive is your buisness. Remember that you're not the only one on the road!
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/14/09 09:39 PM
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So, in the short amount of time that I haven't stopped by to leave a message on this forum, I found a different talon-- a 1993, that is roughly $750 cheaper and closer to home... so i may select that car, as both are in similar condition regarding paint, rust, engine, and transmission...
so i figure since I'm swapping engines as it is and was already planning on using the first generation eclipse 4G63t (since nearly everyone I have talked to has regarded the first generation as the stronger of the first two generation engines, as long as you get new timing belts and things like that since apparently those go out insanely quickly)
as for that, if I can land my hands on either of the cars, the same engine will be selected either way-- now the time has come to give me any suggestions on aftermarket parts, like brands and/or any other aftermarket parts you can think of or think I should look into.
Strictly mechanically speaking, Im looking to: port and polish the intakes and exhaust manifolds, polish and clean out the rest of the engine, along with porting the block, bigger turbo, cold air intake, wastegate (eventually?) intercooler (eventually?) battery relocation to the trunk headlight conversion to HID wider throttle body, catalytic converter & resonator delete, wider exhaust system (im pretty sure the largest I'll safely fit without contantly dinging it on the ground is a 3") On top of wider exhaust, branching into a dual-exhaust system instead of a single exhaust, larger wires, bigger distributor, all of that high-output injectors, high performance alternator, racing fuel rail, anything else come to mind? I'm also thinking of putting a second turbo onto it after I'm almost done with the entire car, as I'll be getting a different hood (I found this really interesting looking one, but its got 2 of those hood bumps that you always see on the eclipses of this time period--- on bump on the drivers side, one on the passenger side and its made to house 2 turbos more easily than the stock hood)
Any other mechanical items? I'm also going to post what Im doing with the exterior of whichever car I get, along with the interior and the sound system.
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/14/09 09:49 PM
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As for the exterior, the cars im looking at are both red... I found this awesome looking midnight purple paint that I think would look completely nasty if done right... also looking for this one special clearcoat paint that gives the paintjob itself this unusual but really subtle iridescent-style paint job...
The interior- the driver and passenger seats are going to be removed and some sort of 4-point racing seat is going to be installed (which is legal where i live), anything else thats blatantly wrong I will fix of course, from the headliner to the carpet to the dash... rear seats can say, the people getting into the back will just have to deal with figuring out how to get into the back.
The sound system- I already have all boston acoustics competition-grade speakers, theyre currently in my daily driver (which at this moment is my little sister's daily driver since i am at school) but they will be removed from that car and placed into my new one, where they will rightfully be given larger speaker wire, a better head unit, an interior amp, a fused distribution block, a capacitor, and a resettable fuse (which i had removed from a police car-- lol!!). a single 12" boston acoustics subwoofer will also be in the trunk, with a custom fitted bedliner box for it to sit tight in, powered by a JBL competition-class subwoofer amp.
also forgot to mention things ill be doing with the transmission: short throw shifter, racing clutch, lightweight flywheel, probably eventually swap out the gears for racing gears or something like that?
let me know what you all think! remember, i have all the time in the world-- this thing won't be completely done until i am out of college.
But looking at the rough specs about this car, if i do all of the work im looking into doing, this thing will be pushing easily around 425 hp and almost 500 lbs torque... just from basic addition skills.. . actual numbers will vary.
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rb26deTC
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Posted: 11/15/09 12:24 AM
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Suspension and shocks and such are a big thing that I need to know about... I don't want a heavily lowered car or anything, but definite performance suspension, drilled and slotted rotors and rotor conversion for the rear brakes (assuming they have drums for rears) and I'm going to upgrade the drivetrain to AWD instead of the front wheel drive, along with slightly wider tires (which probably means a slightly flared body kit as well)...
I know it seems like a lot and I fully intend on maxing this thing out, hence all of the parts talk... it wont be one of these projects that lasts for a few months either... i have been building cars up like this for quite a while now, even though I am only 19 and theres a world of things yet to learn i know enough and between me, a couple of friends, and a couple of years this thing will be sick.
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Posted: 11/16/09 08:03 AM
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You pretty much have a handle on what you want to do. Don't forget to have a performance crank added to your list of goodies. A stock crank can only handle so much when all those goodies are added. Over all, though, you have a goal and it seems as if you have a good idea of how to get there. I would suggest talking to the person who is going to do the mill work on the head and block to see what parts will work for the mill spec of your components. You don't want to over bore or cause issues with the compression or over all streangth of the engine. I've seen people over do it and lose essential components or not get the expected horse power to the wheels as they wanted. Tuning it, after putting it all together, is another factor. You seem to know where you're going, at least. Shop around for parts with your machinist. That's a safer bet on what parts will work effectively for your build. Again, I hope I've helped a bit with this.
How you drive is your buisness. Remember that you're not the only one on the road!
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Posted: 03/06/10 01:41 AM
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I am also looking to swap a motor into a 1996 eclipse. I believe i have the 420a, whatever the chrysler motor is. the motor is dead and i am looking to go jdm. Does anyone know which of the jdm motors will bolt to my tranny, and possibly any info on what i will have to change to put the jdm motor in my car. I am needing to know this so i can replace my motor asap. I am without a vehicle until i get this figured out, and you all know how it is to be without a vehicle sometime, i hope. any assistance from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: 03/06/10 05:34 PM
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I don't really know the particulars on such a swap, assuming it is a Mopar engine in it. Most of the 4 bangers mopar used at one time were from Mitsubishi stock. I would see if there is any similarity in design and take it from there. The ECM may need to be swapped as well if the engines don't match in any way. And lets not talk about the wiring harnesses. Talk about complicated. If you're just looking to get back on the road, you may just want to consider putting in what you already have in it. It's easier and won't drain your pocket. Wait till you can afford to do what you want to. Some times descsions are double edged sword, my brother. Think about it.
How you drive is your buisness. Remember that you're not the only one on the road!
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