I can see that my cousin was very busy with the posts.
MAN!
Any way, here's my two cents worth on this... I don't really care about the muscle car owners with the V8s and the rhetoric that is spewed between the "importlovers" and the "musclecarheads"! We all tune what we like and that is my theory on that...! What does it matter about what the muscle car guys say. There are ignorant folk in all walks of life just like there is bad people in all races. You take those individuals with a grain of salt and toss it over your shoulder. My comment on this is as follows... if you like what you have and you enjoy it extremely, GOOD! It's your ride or lifestyle! How ever you want to feel it! Enough of this "BETTER THAN" or "MORE POWERFULL THAN" crap. Tuning is tuning, even if it's on a gas powered remote control car. Just have fun doing what you like on what you want to drive. I don't want to offend any one but some times the kid stuff ,like the bully on the school grounds, needs to be confronted... head on...!!!!  

all cars suck scooters, trikes & bikes are going to rule eventually thanks to 60 dollar fill ups at the gas station holla!  

I'm new on here, in fact this is my very first post, but I have to agree with the last post Blackmonkey made. Everyone should be able to tune what they want and what they enjoy without having to worry about some *** making dumbass remarks. Isn't the whole point of tuning anything to make something that is uniquely yours and enjoy it?  

Thanks Greyfoxx5150, that means a lot. After all that's been spewed out by my cousin on this forum in my name I have to write what "I" actually feel so that I'm not confused with the idiots, like my cousin!
Too many people are "car brand fanatic" and don't see the "cars" as a whole in the industry. There has been a lot of innovation, over the years, in tuning an import and making it that much more powerful. If you want to make it faster or more agile and the parts are available... who cares what the "nay sayers" think! Every one can do as they want with their cars as long as they don't hurt them selves or others in the process. That's why it's called "FREE ENTERPRISE".  

No problem Blackmonkey. I'm just getting tired of all the fighting and crap. That kind of garbage should have been left behind in the school yards. I would in fact love to see one big show where muscles, tuners, and euros can all be shown off at the same time and everyone can just enjoy what each class has to offer.  

Wow, Alot of trash talk. well, I;ll add my two cents anyway. V8 cars, thats a pretty broad statement, but from what you have said in your original post, you seem to be aiming towards american muscle. well, no crap, imports do handle better, you fail to see a major flaw with your trash talk, there is a minimum time-span in design that is at least 30 years old, kinda makes me shake my head when I hear someone rag on a 67' camaro because it was beaten by a skyline. criticizing a car thats 30 years old is like criticising Da'vinci for the mona lisa for not useing an airbrush! Dont get me wrong, I love what is being done with imports today but you have to tip your hat to the old school muscle , they started it all in america. the 67' mustang was not only famuos in america, it was famous across the world, nowadays the unibody for one  goes for at least 3k. All i am saying is that to criticise V8 lovers of the old muscle is pretty lame, its where we came from (Car lovers), If you personally don't like them Thats cool, this is the essence of the tuner personality, what you like and don't like, but to bash somone's likes is not only bad, but pretty stupid.  

I really don't think the older muscle cars should get a lot of the crap that they get. True the older muscle cars aren't going to handle as well on corners with out some serious mods, that's because when they first came out they were usually being dragged from light to light or at the track. Can any of you recall hearing about a couple people racing their camaros or mustangs through twisty mountain roads, road courses, or anything like that? Of course not. Because that's not what people were into when they first came out. But if it hadn't been for those drag race, V-8 loving gear heads of the past, none of us would be able to enjoy the kind of tuning options we have at our disposal today.
And not all muscle cars handle poorly on the corners. I myself had a 1996 Pontaic Firebird Formula One that slid around the corners of Germantown Road in my home of Portland, OR quite nicely. I beat a few imports down that road with it, so it can be done.  

I hear all of you well and clear and I agree... but as for bouncerboytimmy69, you confuse me with the actual person that started this thread. It was a family member with more guts than he dared to have that wrote in my name. I have since tried to correct all of his bad judgement threads and empty advice.
I've had lots of cars over the years and American cars were on my list of ones that I owned. The only thing that hurts my desire to own one again any time soon is the fact that they don't compare in over all quality, like a 49 Mercury Custom or a 56 Belaire... Todays American cars are all about quantity over quality and now with this gas crunch/ high fuel price stage in America, they are now less practical than ever. Some do get almost 30mpg and others are even doing better. I think that it's too little done too late to improve on their efficiency in the fuel dept. They can do it but they cater to big oil fat cats that want to line their pockets with what ever they can get through the poor consumer. It's a game that cost GM and Ford and Chrysler with the big engine trucks and cars that they were producing over the past 30 years. They can't say that they weren't told in the early 70s when the first gas crunch happened! Now it's come full circle to kick them in their collective asses and they are scrambling to catch up. Slowly, though, if I dare say... I don't hate American cars nor do I trash talk the muscle cars but I do put my hands where my eyes can see...
I too would love to see a venue that shows all the stuff that all of autodom has produced. But there are too many "car brand loyalists" to contend with. That's where the hating comes from.  

There's a lot more involved than weight and hp. Of course your tiny little brain can't comprehend that though.


WHAATTT!?
are you kidding me boosted?
what else is there? the size of your steering wheel?
horsepower, torque, and the weight of your car determines everything! it doesnt matter what you say could affect it, it all relates to those three things.  

Alright dude. Seriously, to make this easier I'm going to use a common reference as opposed to ambiguous friend references. In particular I will sight one of the best examples I can think of off hand. "Best Motoring" R34 VS AE86 toge` battle. The corolla was way under the power output of the GTR but managed to pull away because of superior weight distribution and chassis prep. Seriously, do some research before you start spouting off. Though the spring rates and particular coil-overs used I don't know it still goes to show that HP, TQ and weight aren't the only things that matter. How well your car reacts to the road and how well it provides feedback on those conditions also greatly affect lap times.  

aint it commin physics that the lighter car usally wins in a drag race (im not much into drag racing so i could be wrong)    [just got a honda s2000 and its so {F}'in fun to drive. no mods for it yet though  

Weight, power and over all tuning makes a winning car. If it's all done right, no matter what the car, I don't see the problem.
We can't forget the driver, though. His skills determines how well the car will function and perform. You need both the driver and the car to work as one.
It seems as if every one is right and none can come to that realization. It's a some what complicated equation but not impossible to understand...  

TheHormone:
aint it commin physics that the lighter car usally wins in a drag race (im not much into drag racing so i could be wrong)    [just got a honda s2000 and its so {F}'in fun to drive. no mods for it yet though

lighter cars arent necessarily winners, i see most light cars become piles of twisted metal because their builders don't understand aerodynamics and what happens when their ride is too light. The tires dont really get any good contact on the road and the car becomes the wind's *** They refuse the probable solution to that ("increasing down force") because truthfully that would slow the car down. So they go race and what happens is "Wow unbeleivable acceleration, wait buuut he's hit 80, it seems the ride's pretty much getting pushed around by the air and drag force, he's tilting a little, uh oh, the rides being pushed by the wind towards the guard rail it seems....... OH SH**!! HOLY SHI** OH MYLANTA WE HAVE A WRECK!!". Now the laws of impulse and momentum state that a 3200 pound car crashing into the guard rail at 100 would probably get pretty badly damaged but could be fixed, buuuut, but but buuuuuutt also an 1800 pound car crashing into the guardrail at the same speed would be instasntly turned into scrap metal. Also imagine what would happen to the driver .....(i know i have a sick, weird mind).


Btw S2000's are plastic so be careful while having fun  

bartusek:
There's a lot more involved than weight and hp. Of course your tiny little brain can't comprehend that though.


WHAATTT!?
are you kidding me boosted?
what else is there? the size of your steering wheel?
horsepower, torque, and the weight of your car determines everything! it doesnt matter what you say could affect it, it all relates to those three things.

don't be noob, he's right
EVERY ASPECT OF THE CAR AFFECTS PERFORMANCE

From Engine power and efficiency, to weight distribution and handling, Even ergonomics!!  

Why cant mscles and imports live together in peace and frolic.... why

" I have a dream, that one day, Rustangs and type r-ice's can be together and make love. That one day muscle cars and JDM's can reproduce and create wonderful creatures"
like this LS1 powered Rx7