What is it with you guys!!! You know who you are... the boat loving, V8 gas chugging, can't handle too well car lovers. Don't get me wrong, people, I like a well build american car as much as you. But face it... unless it's in a straight line, you don't fare too well against an import with the same amount of horses on a road course. You all talk about horse power but never add the rules of weight compared to that horse power. It's called power to weight ratios. Dig?! No one is saying that they hate domestics, if you read carefully. Just don't try to compare a cruise liner to a small boat with the same horse power. You can't seriously debate with tuners that will always have an edge over those heavy cars. Imoprts rule now at every aspect of the industry and that's that!!!

It's 4:33pm on 2/26/08 and I have to add to this post to clear some things up due to BOOsteds' ignorance...
FIRST, I don't hate domestic cars of any plat form. I may have issues with their over all quality, but I don't hate domestics, PERIOD! Some one needs to have a job to fix them!
This post was written to get rid of the idiots like lldjslim that have nothing better to do and come on here and talk out of their bung holes. If any one has not read the post from lldjslim and does not think that he is a total moron, bafoon and a complete tool bag, then some thing is really wrong. I don't mind debate and when I'm wrong I DO bow my head and learn some thing. That's all! I have no issues with any one except the ignorant!

07-27-08: I have to do this in case people try to confuse me with what my *** cousin wrote above. I in no way represent nor do I condone his actions or what he has said to any one. I don't blame any one for being mad at this post. It was stupid, childish and ignorant of him to do so. My views are different and you'll see as you read along and go for the ride.  

You already know what im gonna say b-monk,not even gonna start  on this one.  

Yeah, I know... I respect you for it, though! You debate vey well indeed. I hope I have a friend in you. I do respect your input, 'cause it's smart and well put! I may even learn more than what I know... That is the goal in the end, isn't it? This thread is also for the lldjslim like idiots. Not for the well informed and talented as you.
Not trying to suck up... Just calling it how I see it!
I know that you saw the poem I did for lldjslim... sorry that you were put into it the way I wrote it. That was before I knew what you meant in your rap. It was brilliant, by the way! Takes a thinker to put it the way you did. It was funny as hell! Had to re-read it again to get a smile back on my face.
 

What about Euros? What are your views on them?

Breaking down Imports into the Asian and European markets, which do you consider the dominant one?

Super Street itself covers mostly JDM vehicles or their USDM equivalents, with an occasional fling feature here and there, but it's sister magazines cater to Japanese and Euro respectively (Import, Euro, Turbo, etc). Also, if you expect to find a more vibrant response, you're better off going to mustang monthlys forums, or the corvette forums. I myself stick to the import forums, as I'm not very well versed in the domestic market.  

Euros are ok to me, though I wouldn't buy one for my self. I've seen what they ship to us over here and though atractive in appearance leaves alot to consider in the quality dept for the U.S. sold  models.. I think the Peugot had a lot to do with that mind set. Remember them?
I've seen what's made for Europe and it's better than what we get here. My wife is from Spain and her family members take me to race tracks there for race events when we visit and MAN there are nice rides there! Any way, a Euro interests me but not to own. They aren't too bad to work on either, I guess...  

Hell the euro cars are by far the best in my opinion.  Even volvo has R models with 240 hp from the factory as early as 95.  Try crashing your honda at 100mph and living through it!  Why not have a fast car that will let you live through a crash?!  I would bet my brick would win against a telephone pole any day!  

That is funny, but true, about the volvo! I just wish they didn't share the same plat forms with Ford! Ford owns major stocks in them and controls alot. Not good in my book. Volvo has improved some in the electrical dept., but needs to solve their own problems and grow with out Fords help. They do have one model that I think is outragiously sexy. I forget what series it is but, "HOTDAMNDIT", If it isn't sleek!  

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You keep talking about hp to weight ratios, but you forget 90% of these lightweight imports are FWD are not capable of running say... 9's without major suspension, slicks, and work, etc.

You need to stop the worthless opinions you have about bigger displacement vehicles. Many are not tanks, many are the right wheel drive, and until you've even driven any of them, quit talking. You just like to ignore the fact that there are plenty of great vehicles out there, and they happen to have v8's. So what?

This stupid ignorance you show about domestics is just silly. There doesn't have to be a side taken between import / domestic. Both of all platforms have the potential to run GREAT and fast times. There's postives and negatives to all...

Some are easier and cheaper to make faster than others. Stop being an idiot and open your eyes to real life dude.  

B00sted:
BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH


You keep talking about hp to weight ratios, but you forget 90% of these lightweight imports are FWD are not capable of running say... 9's without major suspension, slicks, and work, etc.

You need to stop the worthless opinions you have about bigger displacement vehicles. Many are not tanks, many are the right wheel drive, and until you've even driven any of them, quit talking. You just like to ignore the fact that there are plenty of great vehicles out there, and they happen to have v8's. So what?

This stupid ignorance you show about domestics is just silly. There doesn't have to be a side taken between import / domestic. Both of all platforms have the potential to run GREAT and fast times. There's postives and negatives to all...

Some are easier and cheaper to make faster than others. Stop being an idiot and open your eyes to real life dude.

HAHA I like this guy! I always have and always will continue to love my V8 domestic cars. Imports are very good cars as well and I love driving them. I even love some V6 cars like the Chevy Cobalt SS. I have driven all kinds of vehicles from old 1983 Nissan Maxima to the new McLaren. I cannot wait until the Audi R8 rolls into my shop!  Like this guys says "both of all platforms have the potential to run Great and fast times". I don’t think it could be summed up better than what this guy puts it. Blackmonkey you should pick out an import and a domestic that have similar platforms. Then post to see which vehicle would outperform each other stock and with mods (keep in mind $) what it would take to outperform the other vehicle?    

Ok fellas, you may not agree with me but who cares. When a 1977 Ford T-bird can handle the turns on a respectable course as well as my rav4 I'll bpw my head and agree with you... Mean time I don't think any one will wast their time to make such a vehicle. And if you have been reading my posts, as you say BOOsted, you would see that the only person I'm targeting with this particular thread is lldjslim and the like minded ignorants. When you can have an import compete with the big boys, like Toyota and Nissan have, you have to give some respect where it's due. Nissan, if you haven't been paying attention, makes the Skyline and it competes quite well. And Toyota makes a few power houses too, stock. I wonder why Toyota took Fords 2nd place standing that they had since the 1930s? I think that American cars are OK, I don't hate them, considering their quality as of late. I never said that I did and, again, if you have been reading you would see that i give advice to just about every domestic car guy that comes on here with a legitamate question or curiosity. So, I guess you theory about me hatin' on domestics goes out the window! Game over! Play again next time!  

DGRAY02, to some extent you are right but the only problem here is not the fact that I don't like domestics 'cause I don't dislike them.
My uncle put some performance air suspension on his Chevelle SS and it handled a lot better, by far, than it did with the stock suspension. The change in handling was quite noticeable. You see, the thing is that even after installing that new suspension on his car it still did not perform as well around corners than my rav4. This was when my rav was still some what stock in the suspension department. And, go figure it would have to be a 4dr mini suv! When I got my new, lower and stiffer, suspension for it, it blew the doors off the Chevelle around corners. I kept up with him quite well considering his lead foot.
Any way, I had built it to perform some, the rav that is, and maybe it could beat some cars and maybe it couldn't, but the fun is not in seeing what domestic it would or wouldn't beat but in the fun of being able to go fast through a course with a not so common vehicle built to race a little. It's about having fun and, some times even, opening a few eyes where possible! So what's wrong with that? Am I wrong?? Educate me where possible, 'cause I'm open for any thing constructive... I know that it takes more to get power out of an import to have it compete with the big boys, 'cause lord knows I've built quite a few at some monetary expense.
So to sum up and dispell rumours, if any, I don't dislike domestics... PERIOD... I just dislike idiots like lldjslim who come on here to slam against us and our love of imports, THAT'S ALL!!! If you like tuning and you have a domestic, I don't see a problem with that... to each his own poison!!!  

Hey everyone, I'm new on here I hope yall don't mind me butting in. I have to actually agree with both sides of this argument. I myself have always been into muscle cars, classic cars, and street rods but after watching endless hours of the Nopi chicks, I mean Nopi Tunervision LOL, I have come to appreciate the tuners as well. I am currently working on a '65 Coronet with a pretty stout big block. Nothing like Mopar power! Yes it guzzles gas but it will fly! BUT I would not race Bmonkey on a road course either. I like the high performance look of the tuners and the way they handle. The body kits, hood scoops, vert doors...sharp! So...I think everyone here has a valid argument. Piece out!  

DUDE!!! A 65 Coronet? Pretty cool!!! When will it be done? Not that I'm asking you to post pics or any thing 'cause I do have a thing against it. I like the old cars like that. I used to drive this 74 Buick Electra 225 that was a special ride. I stole it...LOL! Actually, I bought it from an old lady who was too old to drive any more and wouldn't drive it since her husband passed away. She sold it to me for $750.00. There was some cosmetic stuff that needed attention but other wise in mint condition. It had 25,090 miles when I got it and it went every where for a while. Some idiot stole it from me from in front of my job. I was 19 at the time and actually had the thing looking as nice and old school as I could get it.
A Coronet, though? Nice ride! I wish I could be lucky enough to find more of those types of rides.  

Blackmonkey.. You do realize that a C6 is a domestic, and it has a V8.

This is just an example, but a MUSCLE CAR is something back from the late 60's through the 70's.

Just for example, a C6 Z06, will rape most any import currently on a track, drag strip, etc....

There's no ignorance on my part, only yours. Imports do not rule every aspect of the industry. You should check out some actual serious racing for once, you'll see the C6R and CTSV are doing quite well actually.

Like 1st place.  

And here is where I will agree with you. You are correct! MY BAD!!! I know when I'm not right and when to bow my head to some one who is correct. I don't know every thing there is to know about domestic muscle, only that when both cars are of equal horse power the import will still win... 'CAUSE OF THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE!!!! I guess that this little bit of info was not prevy to you when you were reading all those posts that you said you had read. 'Cause I did mention that at one point. But that is the problem with people like you... you shout without completely understanding the facts as written. I may as well call you civic.slow or lldjslim since you miss all those important facts. It's ok, I understand that you seem to think your self a scholar of language and the such, but if you had comprehended what was written you would not be talking out of your bung hole and seeing what I was reffering to. You have issues and that's ok. Just build your ride to try and beat mine so that when I take it from you I can sell it for $10.00!!! You caim to see what I'm supossedly made of and all you're showing is what a child you are. I've taken you up on your offer to race, till then give a little respect 'cause my world does not revolve around impressing the likes of you.
I fist fight as well, if you want to go that route. Your choice, makes me no difference. I know a lot about pain and how to apply it. Some thing for you to consider 'cause the money is good there as well...LOL!!!!!