I Hate Those Damn Rice Burners

To me its not about beating the other guy.  It's about doing what I enjoy and what I like.  Its not an ego thing for me to beat a 4cyl with an 8 cyl or the other way around.  I hope you will be able to find peace with your self because I see that all this v8 vs 4cyl is really getting to you.  All the talk about what you can do id really B.S. you do it all the time because unless you can actually touch it then don't talk.  Don't tell me what engine will do what ever if it has a stroker kit or what ever.  Manifest those ideas into something you can touch and until you do you are know better than some kid who thinks his 4cyl can whip 8cyl (which some can).

BTW- Remember this- its 80% driver skill and 20% car.  That is the rule and no matter what parts you put into a car someone else who can drive better will be able to over take you with something less.  

hey i can tell you what you need to make a blazer run 6's you need a funny car and then make a body out of fiberglass that looks like a blazer and bolt it on.  

So where is this 6 sec blazer?  

It's not the SUV

I have the pick-up.

Just in case you morons didn't no.  GMC made one of the fastest production trucks and SUV during the 1991 - 1992 years.  They were only made in limited numbers and sold for $30,000 brand new.  Used ones can be had for about $13,000 -$15,000 depending on condition.  If I had the money I would get one.

Both the Syclone(pick-up) and Typhoon(SUV) trucks featured a Mitsubishi turbocharger and a Garrett water/air intercooler attached to a 4.3L V6 engine with unique pistons, main caps, head gaskets, intake manifolds, fuel system, exhaust manifolds, and a throttle body from the 5.7L GM Small-Block engine. All Sy/Ty's(nickname) had a 700R4(Corvette) 4-speed automatic transmission. A Borg Warner all-wheel drive transfer case split Torque with 35% forward and 65% to the rear wheels. Both trucks featured upgraded brakes and sport modifications to the standard suspensions. The Syclone was the first production truck to receive a 4 wheel anti-lock braking system. Output was 280HP and 360ft.lbf of torque. The Syclone(pick-up) and Tyhoon(SUV) were capable of accelerating from 0-60MPH in under 4seconds and could do a 1/4 mile run in about 12seconds S--T--O--C--K.   So *** off EVO and WRX.

These trucks strait from the factory beat a Stealth TT, Ferrari 348ts, and a Porshe 911 Turbo in a 1/4 mile that is.  Thats pretty impressive for something that cost *** less than those exotics.  

And no Rice Burner can even come close to that stock performace.

And even still today nothing can't out match these trucks performance.

So thats proof that trucks are the fastest vehicles in the world.  

its not the 8 vs 4 thing thats getting to me..i personaly like both very much i was raised with the muscle cars..whats getting to me is this guy has not a fuc1ng clue what he is talking about ...if you dont know sumfin be humble and learn it not cocky and think you know all...  

80/20  

lets just analyze, the 700r4 is nothing special even the corvette one, sorry to tell you . also 280hp is not enough to push you to 12 seconds, the stock times that i have seen have been in the high 13's low 14's. the stealth tt weighs a little over 4000lsb so i don't know what your getting at its a tank. the Porsche 911 turbo is not a drag car sorry the rear engine rwd makes it more suited for a track car. the Ferrari is made for high speed cruising and tracks, will those trucks keep up to that beast that tops out at 160+mph i don't think so. And sorry to tell you but trucks are not the fastest vehicles in the world, the fastest was the British jet powered car that ran 763mph.  

First of all *** is Crap,

   *Keep telling yourself that

So this is when your V-Tec is suppose kick in right.  Thats all you Honda's guys brag about V-Tec this, V-Tec that.  I bet you and others out there like you don't even know how V-Tec works, and probably don't even know what it stands for.

*I know quite well how vtec works, simple matter of adjustable cams that allow for a longer cam duration at higher rpms to optimize for both economy and power.  Interesting concept I bet.  Lets see your pushrod motor do that.

You really have to stop whatching The Fast and Furious, just because you saw that Honda Civic outrun that American Muscle Car on the big screen you thinks yours can do the same too.  Hey dumbass wake up, this is a movie. O.K.  You think that when you dress up your shitty Honda up w/ stickers like GReddy, NOS, etc., add a Coffee Can Exhaust, Cold Air Intake, Body Kit, Clear Tail-lights, a Wing, a Type R Badge and put on your racing gloves your Honda will gain 800HP+++.  This is really a SAD PHENOMENON.

  *I actually agree, if anyone watches F&F thinking that a few mods will make their car a supercar, they are sadly mistaken....most of us know better however

RACING IS IN AMERICAS BLOOD.  AMERICAN MUSCLE CARS were ahead of there time.  Japan knows nothing about racing.  They were not there when American Muscle Cars was ruling this planet back in the 60s and 70's before they went on the endangered spieces list because of high insurance rates, stricker emission laws and the oil crisis.  Most of all of Japans knowlegde for racing comes from American.  They come over here and spy, take notes and watch.  All Japan is good for is Electronics they should just stick to what they do best and racing is not what they do best.  American Muscle cars are all about pure P-O-W-E-R.  Whenever you can have the front end of a American Muscle Car come up off the ground and do a wheelie like a motorcycle that is just pure P-O-W-E-R.  You just don't take no 4cyl. lawnmower for an engine, front-wheeled drived mickey mouse piece of *** that all Hondas are and try to make them race cars.  

    *Japan knows nothing about racing?  Yeah, BAR Honda knows nothing about Formula 1 cars, which coincidentally are the MOST TECHNICALLY ADVANCED RACE CARS ON THE PLANET.  PERIOD. (F1, not necessarily Bar Honda...though they are competitors)  How are the american car companies doing in this series?  Oh, thats right, they dropped out because they could no longer compete w/ the likes of Ferrari and McLaren...yet Minardi (sp?) stuck around a couple more years until they were purchased by Red Bull (American OWNED team, but Cosworth built motors btw).  Michael Schumacher is the worlds highest paid athlete, not a NASCAR driver or even a basketball/golf/football player.

So tell  me whats a 1.6L going to do.  Are you going to boost it by adding a turbo, run NOS w/ it and after doing that your engine will be heading for the nearest grave because your engine was not moddified to handle NOS, or do a engine swap.  Either way you put it your going to have to drop at least 5 grand to even get that piece of *** going somewhere.  And don't even think that 1.6L = 160HP.  That is just complety ***  You dumb sh-ts talk about 100 horsepower per liter and all that sh-t, but think about it. If the legendary 426 Hemi which was 7.0 litres it was factory built to be that effecient it would have made 700 horsepower. Insurance companies and the US Government would have shut Chryslers ass down.  You  also need to take note that most of you Honda drivers thinks that it is all about the HP, again not true you have to have something to go w/ that HP and that is TORQUE my friend and without TORQUE your HP is means nothing.

  *Ahh, the Hemi argument.  No doubt, the hemi was WAAAAYYYY ahead of its time.  But you're right, not all imports make 100hp/liter, some like mine make over 150whp/liter w/o "naawz".  I did this with $2500 in mods (upgraded my stock turbo, engine mgmt, header, exhaust and injectors/fuel pump 310 whp 352 ft/lbs on a Mustang Dynomometer)

And if you think that your Dual Over Cams (DOHC) designs has an advatage over a American Muscle Car think again dumbass.

  *Only when it comes to being able to rev high, last longer, suffer less mechanical failures and get better fuel economy while maintaining the same whp numbers as the cars of yesteryear in many cases.

Nothing will ever replace the American pushrod engine. While its able to make upwards of 7000 horsepower and run sub 4 sec 1/4 miles, i don't think it will ever leave the track nor will it lose its status as the world dominant force in racing.

   *See my F1 argument please.  There is more to racing than going straight or turning left.  ESPECIALLY when talking about world dominant cars.  For straightline acceleration, its hard to beat the RWD cars, I'm not a 1/4 mile guru, but I believe I recall someone running a 6 second FWD car down the track last season.  I MIGHT be wrong about that, but I can admit I don't know everything.

True that Ferrari is faster than a Mustang, Vette or Camaro, but that small displacement V12 is already pushed to the max. Theres no room for anything more. But you can dump a few thousand into our American V8's and literally mop the floor w/ a Ferrari and still cost way under the ticket price of a Ferrari. Not too mention also sound better doing it too.

  *Same can be done w/ an Evo or STi or Supra or well, I think you get the point, drop some money into them and they eat the Ferrari for breakfast...but I thought you like to talk about stock cars...speaking of stock cars, isn't "Stock Car" part of the acronymn NASCAR?  Name one stock part about those cars.

Oh yeah!  I here this one all the time from all of you Honda boys, American Muscle Cars can't Drift.  Who the *** wants to see 2 crappy slow ass imports on a mountain driving on there sides and screeching tires, Boring.  Its just so funny how the front tires spin on a Front-Wheel Drive car. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

    *Ummm, you know nothing about drifting obviously, the new GTO is actually a good drift car, and the Viper has been known to drift as well.  FWD cars are not drift cars and finally, you have touge confused w/ drifting.  Common problem amongst ignorant people.

So I advise you to take your cheap ass, 30 pounds of Torque, 18second, Grocery Getter, Coffee Can Exhaust, Sticker Box Honda back to Japan.

   *If I ever buy a car that slow, I surely will.  Until then I will drive my 352 pounds of torque wrx on the streets of america.

P.S.  Your Honda has 1.6 liters and my Code-Red Mountain Dew has 2 liters  

   *My car has 2.0 liters, just like your bottle of Mt Dew, so feel free to suck on my tailpipe.  

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It's not the SUV

I have the pick-up.

Just in case you morons didn't no.  GMC made one of the fastest production trucks and SUV during the 1991 - 1992 years.  They were only made in limited numbers and sold for $30,000 brand new.  Used ones can be had for about $13,000 -$15,000 depending on condition.  If I had the money I would get one.

Both the Syclone(pick-up) and Typhoon(SUV) trucks featured a Mitsubishi turbocharger and a Garrett water/air intercooler attached to a 4.3L V6 engine with unique pistons, main caps, head gaskets, intake manifolds, fuel system, exhaust manifolds, and a throttle body from the 5.7L GM Small-Block engine. All Sy/Ty's(nickname) had a 700R4(Corvette) 4-speed automatic transmission. A Borg Warner all-wheel drive transfer case split Torque with 35% forward and 65% to the rear wheels. Both trucks featured upgraded brakes and sport modifications to the standard suspensions. The Syclone was the first production truck to receive a 4 wheel anti-lock braking system. Output was 280HP and 360ft.lbf of torque. The Syclone(pick-up) and Tyhoon(SUV) were capable of accelerating from 0-60MPH in under 4seconds and could do a 1/4 mile run in about 12seconds S--T--O--C--K.   So *** off EVO and WRX.

These trucks strait from the factory beat a Stealth TT, Ferrari 348ts, and a Porshe 911 Turbo in a 1/4 mile that is.  Thats pretty impressive for something that cost *** less than those exotics.  

And no Rice Burner can even come close to that stock performace.

And even still today nothing can't out match these trucks performance.

So thats proof that trucks are the fastest vehicles in the world.

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Are you trying to sale the idea of buying something with low quality build such as GM or Ford? Why are Japanese cars crap?  Does it have anything to do with them being Japanese?  Maybe this is a race issue here.  

I did not bother to read all of pointless crap.  It's really to much to read.  I like to keep it simple.  So anyway, lets drive out cars around some pylons or speed cones and see who's the best.  

*** cars become crap cars when you try to take a for example:  A Honda Civic and then try to make a sports car out of it when it was not designed to be one in the first place.

Now, there are your domestics types like:  GM J-bodys(Sunfire, Vibe, Cavilier, Colbat, and Ion), Ford Focus, Dodge Neon, etc. carry the domestic name but under the hood is *** Crap so that classifies them as also RICE BURNERS.

RICE BURNERS or other *** Crap cars are not the sports cars of the 21st Century like what all of yous in here want them to be.

Japan cars really sound like crap too.  When I was crusing down the interstate and then entered a tunnel there was a Honda Prelude w/ a coffee can in the back in the passing lane.  As it accelerated forward it sounded like an airplane was being shot down and was going to crash.

I just don't see how you guys can withstand that crappy sound.  

So back at you cj1977.  

This has to be the gayest [censored] thread ever.  

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Jap cars become crap cars when you try to take a for example:  A Honda Civic and then try to make a sports car out of it when it was not designed to be one in the first place.

Now, there are your domestics types like:  GM J-bodys(Sunfire, Vibe, Cavilier, Colbat, and Ion), Ford Focus, Dodge Neon, etc. carry the domestic name but under the hood is *** Crap so that classifies them as also RICE BURNERS.

RICE BURNERS or other *** Crap cars are not the sports cars of the 21st Century like what all of yous in here want them to be.

Japan cars really sound like crap too.  When I was crusing down the interstate and then entered a tunnel there was a Honda Prelude w/ a coffee can in the back in the passing lane.  As it accelerated forward it sounded like an airplane was being shot down and was going to crash.

I just don't see how you guys can withstand that crappy sound.  

So back at you cj1977.

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Quick engineering lesson. IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!! Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (x amount of HP per y amount of gasoline burned) and Volumetric Effenciency (how well an engine fills itself with air) determine horsepower. Everything else is bullsh*t. Anytime you put more air and fuel through an engine you make more power...cubes, boost or cams. Air + Fuel + Spark = HP, period. NASCAR fans and Fast & Furious  lovers are both the same special brand of idiot, Followers.