a thought many racers have......

many people would agree with me on this. why mod a front wheel drive, family daily driver, gas saving made vehicle? a.k.a. civic, accord, etc... i still to this day dont understand this concept. wtf are people thinking?  

Think about what?  Why are you such a dumbass?  I bet you're the same person as that lamboone idiot under a different alias.  

different strokes for different folks?  if i said that 1% of all modified cars were beyond the limits of what most fwd chassis' can handle, i think i'd be over-estimating.

also, its not always about the absolute top-level performance.  most people are plenty happy with moderate increases.  and lastly, fwd's are more available and generally much cheaper to buy and mod.  

Cause Sleepers are *** AWSOME... who would think that they pull up next to some FWD family car in thier vette or camaro or equally mullet obsessed vehicle and then get smoked by it?!  

I wonder the same thing. Some FWD cars werent made for "family types", ie, SRT4, OmniGLHS, Eclipse GS-T, while you do have a bunch of Accords, Civics, Sentras, and base model Neons who are desperately trying to go fast by dumping tons of cash into their econboxes. "Whatever floats your boat" as they say, but personally, I prefer AWD or RWD over FWD, I also like sports cars, not cars with engines that fail after they make 250hp.  

look yall im just sayin true performance is not from a fwd chasis. all that power in the front cant be quite as good as it being in the rear. example pushing is easier than pulling. i admit fwd can be fast but i dont prefer them.  

who puts a wheelie bar on a front wheel drive. yes i know the point is to put the weight on the front wheels but all ur doing is putting it on the pissy little wheelie bar wheels  

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and lastly, fwd's are more available and generally much cheaper to buy and mod.

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yeah, you can buy a busted-ass 2nd gen camaro for $500.  problem is we aren't discussing the GRM $2005 challenge here, but rather liveable and driveable cars.  a 74 camaro's *a little* out of the realm of a modern daily drivable car.  unless, of course, you don't mind driving in a real sh itpile lol everyday.  (yeah, i've had a couple f-bodies in my day.  i know you are wondering).  

on a typical fwd being more readily available cheaper to mod - this can definitely be debated.  cheaper than a 4th gen f-body or a fox body?  no.  miata? maybe.  but cheaper than a z32? or a wrx?  or an fd rx7?  or a german rwd anything?  heck yes!!

and i don't know about a stock '74 camaro beating, well, almost anything.  the Emissions Gods were in full wrath by '74 and any lasting performance from the Golden Era was subsequently squashed.  

Yup in 1974 the smog laws where setting in. Thats exactly why I used that car. Unless you live in California, you can pull all the emissions crap off. You could get the same motors as the 60s cars, just with crappy cams. A 74 Camaro is out of the realm of a modern daily driver? Maybe a $500 one, because your talking about alot of rust, or engine work. But do you think car buyers in 1974 would buy a new car that refused to start on a cold day or that the AC didnt work? A well maintained car from the 50s on can commute with any modern car. I know, I put 15k on a 1978 Firebird last year. A car that cost me 1000 to buy. All I had to was change the oil every 4k. Its got 92,ooo on it now, runs great. And, stock, I beat almost every sport compact I raced. Anything better than 250hp would get me after about 70-80mph. But 0-60 was all mine in my 3800lb 'muscle car'.  

we aren't talking about living in 1974.  and you WERE talking about a stock $500 74 camaro so dont go pulling off the smog pump or upgrading to a nice restored one now

i had an '87 t/a i bought for $1100 about 8 years ago.  LG4 - kind of the dog motor - but it ran, rather well, despite some electrical gremlins.  had 113K at purchase and i put a good 30K on it in the year i had it.  honestly my 16v vw was quicker.  except for a few shining examples, the 2nd and 3rd gen f bodies are nothing to write home about.  and the shining examples?  you can still pay $10K for a really nice GTA and that's not exactly cheap for a 15 year old (or more) pontiac.  

If you pay 10k for a stock GTA your a tool. With talking about 1974, I was saying that the cars where built with the same expectations we have of new cars. Therefore, unless your a spoiled [censored], a decent car from the 70s will make a fine daily driver. How can you dispute this when all you have to do is drive around and look at the cars in the other lane. Youll see old cars, trucks, vans and buses.

How far do you really think we've came in thirty years? And a friend of mine in high school did drove a 1973 Camaro he bought for 600. A few small holes rusted in the fender, one in the floor that was easily patched. With a 350 and a th350 the car beat all every 'modern' Honda at school. The AC worked. The heat was great. After the floor was patched, it was just as quiet and smooth as most new cars. Cruised down the highway with no problems.  

"no problems" is a pretty subjective term that gets thrown around quite a bit, usually by people who either low standards or no experience of something better.  maybe where you live its common to see a 70's land barge on the road, but where i live we've graduated beyond the worst automotive decade to date.

not to mention gas mileage.  what kind of mileage does your buddy get with his 73?  8mpg city? roflcopter!!!!!  i like old cars.  however, their time as a feasable day to day car is long past, and for good reason.  

ok [censored] you thedirector. dont *** call me a dumbass you piece of [censored]. ill beat tha [censored] outta you you *** fwd ***  

look bro, fwd is better in many ways and heres a few.

-better control in overall racing
-not made to waste tires (drift is an exception)
-easyer to work on because everything is right in front of u
-no worry on mileage problems

need i say more? And really man no disrespect but a rwd is just not all its made out to be. i mean traction is not all to peachy unless positrac is present. And u dont see to many on the street anymore due to raging performance prices. Have u looked at Summit racing and JEGS lately? depressing. But anyway i dont wana preech so u tell me otherwise